Monday, May 11, 2009

The Radical Virgo

Copyright ©1992-2010 by Joyce Mason

Virgo/Pisces and Chiron
In my article, “A New Look at Virgo: Shifting from Mercury to Chiron" (The Mountain Astrologer, April 1990), I presented an updated image of Virgo with Chiron as its new ruler. Positive responses (and synchronistic connections) poured forth when I put out my concept of what Virgo is becoming. Certainly, Virgo ruled by Chiron was not new. Barbara Hand Clow developed this idea fully in her 1987 book, Chiron: Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets.

Now I want to expand some of my more revolutionary ideas about Virgo, especially its connections to sexuality (which needs to be healed in order for us to fully evolve), work, and enlightenment. Mentoring the hero within (our positive male energy), just as Chiron mentored countless mythical heroes, will save our planet in these turning-point times. This means finding our right work in the world. It also means incorporating the Pisces portion of the Virgo/Pisces continuum, a word I now use instead of polarity. The key to the times is marrying the extremes within us: virgin/whore, masculine/feminine, peace/war, form/formlessness, Virgo/Pisces, etc.

Pisces and Virgo, never exactly the stars of the zodiac, have much to teach us about correct service and giving, leading to the balance of Self and Other (Aries/Libra, the next continuum). Virgo and Pisces must learn the lesson of all “professional givers”—to let someone else have the joy of giving for a change. This paired sector of the zodiac must master learning to receive, and to give to themselves in the same unabashed way they give to others.

Within two years of writing that article, my ideas had shifted and refined. I now lean toward the concept that Chiron rules no sign in particular, since his humble nature would be inconsistent with being King of Anything, even classically modest Virgo. [1] Some say the astronomical confirmation of Chiron as a comet supports this conclusion, since comets have not been considered ruling bodies in astrology up to this time. [2] But Chiron acts like an outer planet, despite its shooting star origins, captured between Uranus and Saturn—if only temporarily. I still believe Chiron has the most resonance with Virgo for now.

So, why Virgo, and why now? Because there is so much work to be done to clean up this planet, the skill for which Virgo is notorious! The work needed is both on and off the face of the Earth—to mend our ecosystem and the broken souls that have neglected it. To do this service, the key Virgo/Pisces lesson requires learning not to give ourselves away completely, or we are like the comet that gives totally, burns out fast, and abandons humanity and ourselves with still so much left undone. The new Virgin must overcome the early savior complex she shares with Pisces and become savvy enough to save herself.

Virgo is the last sign before we come to Libra, the Other. We cannot give ourselves without first possessing Self—that is the lesson of Virgo. Pisces is the last sign before we come to Aries, the Self. The Pisces lesson: Until we lose ourselves, we cannot value ourSelves. How to make these seemingly circular ideas make more sense than two fish swimming in opposite directions? Let’s look to the Chiron myth for hints.

Pisces is Virgo’s “shadow.” (I prefer the term “recessive sign,” which can incorporate both its light and dark traits.) If the Virgo affiliation with Chiron is lit up now, it is probable that the Pisces parts of the Chiron myth have been the most overlooked to date by astrological writers.

The Pisces imagery in the myth comes from Chiron’s maternal lineage. Born of the sea nymph, Philyra, Chiron doubtless shared his mother’s gifts of prophecy, as the sea nymphs were known to be extremely psychic. Along with his talents as an astrologer, Chiron likely used his channeling abilities [3] when guiding the many heroes under his tutelage toward finding their proper place in society.

Seldom mentioned are Chiron’s musical talent and his use of art as a medium for healing. He played the kithara, a predecessor to the guitar. Based on his original research on the Chiron myth, astrologer Dale O’Brien proposes that Chiron mesmerized and enthralled his visitors in the forest with both storytelling and song. [4]

So, what does the Pisces portion of the Chiron myth suggest that the “radical Virgo” incorporate into his/her evolution in order to become the best this sign has to offer? I believe it is a balance between practicality and dreams, between mundane tasks and soul expression, between form and formlessness. A good illustration came up recently: When we’re still relatively new astrologers, some of us tend to over-prepare—to run the chart in several house systems, to stack up pile upon pile of transits and progressions, and to Virgo/analyze ourselves into a near dither. Then we meet the person behind the chart. The original plan for approaching this reading may be totally inappropriate once we hear the client’s concerns and/or sense the level of information he or she is open to receiving. If we are an “old Virgo,” we’re likely to cling to Plan A like our life depended on it, but the “new Virgo” is ready to chuck form at a moment’s notice, shift gears, and trust intuition.

In order to do this, we must trust the Piscean gift on the other end of the Virgo/6th house continuum—our 6th sense. It’s as though the Virgoan side of Virgo is an expert at rehearsal (which is why Virgos tend to love classical music with all of those predetermined notes). By contrast, the Piscean underside of Virgo is the improviser—the person who plays by ear (which is why s/he can hear Spirit). Each talent is appropriate at certain times, and complementary, but either can be useless noise if taken to extremes. In that case, there is form without feeling or feeling without form.

From this place of enlightenment, not only does your gift itself help heal the world, but also your bliss permeates everything and everyone you touch. Enlightenment has a divine domino effect. Take care of Number One, get yourself to heaven, and the chain reaction will heal the world.

What is a Radical Virgo?
At the beginning of this article, I promised to discuss the “radical” Virgo’s connection to sexuality, work, and enlightenment. Before I do that, let’s define the word radical. I mean it in these dictionary senses: positive Virgoness carried” (1) to the utmost limit, extreme; or a Virgo known for (2) favoring or effecting extreme or revolutionary changes…. [5] I would modify definition #2 to say, A radical Virgo favors and effects extreme evolutionary changes. S/he does this especially in the areas listed below.

The Radical’s Realms

Sexuality. The Radical Virgo is beyond whether or not she has sex and onto whether or not sex has her.

There is nothing like watching a young Virgo’s struggles with virgin/whore syndrome. Virgo is, after all, an earth sign. Combine earthiness with a mission to learn discrimination, and one is likely to see a pattern of wide swings between promiscuity and celibacy, as s/he gets beyond the struggle and puts sex into proper perspective, as just one way of expressing the life force.

As discussed in my previous article, the concept of Virgo as prudish is absurd. The term virgo has been corrupted over the years by the patriarchy. These powers-that-be control both men and women through spoken and unspoken admonitions. Woman as evil is potent storytelling, beginning with the fall of Adam and the whole human race because of the first woman’s disobedience to a male Supreme Being. And the Beginning was just the beginning!

The control is more complete when it is invisible, secret, and the consequences are a threatened abandonment by God Himself. In her book, “The Liquid Light of Sex: Understanding Your Key Life Passages,” Barbara Hand Clow presents the idea that our Eros or life force energy rises naturally at the opposition of transiting Uranus to natal Uranus (the Uranus Opposition). The Hindus named that energy kundalini. The Church has had an invisible leash around our energy bodies, in the genital zone, making sure our kundalini does not rise naturally to empower us with our own Eros or life energy. Sexuality is one important, expression of that vitality. Hence, the handy separation of Virgin and Magdalene (whore), and the withdrawal of the very love of God for being erotic or alive. Since I originally wrote this article, the Church’s own sex scandals highlight how subversive it is to misuse spiritual power over others. It’s more than “do as I say, not as I do.” It is mind- and sometimes physical rape. It is soul control and power over who gets the best things in life, including aliveness.

In the preface of The Liquid Light of Sex, Clow talks about cultural historian William Irwin Thompson’s concern about her thesis--that kundalini rises in all people around age 40, timed with the Uranus cycle. This means all people could attain enlightenment at that time. Clow and Thompson agree that it doesn’t necessarily accomplish enlightenment. Both feel enlightenment cannot exist without compassion and the opening of the heart. [6]

The Radical Virgo knows that all people can reach enlightenment eventually—this is the perfection s/he strives for. S/he evolves naturally to expand the kundalini energy beyond the sexual center, through the heart and upper chakras, to harvest his or her life force through the fruits of service. Consequently, s/he ultimately learns to choose her partners carefully. As astrologer Jackie Hoag has said, Virgo is concerned with efficiency in relationship. While at first that may sound cold, it really isn’t at all.

Virgo is a tender, sensitive soul. S/he is also very focused on service, and when s/he can find a love who looks in that same direction, or even shares his or her work, that’s the ultimate. Otherwise, service and relationship will always be rival loves. The Radical Virgo simply has too much to do to flit from lover to lover. S/he couldn’t be him or herself without performing those works, and a monogamous relationship that supports his or her reason for being is “it.”

To sacrifice Self, s/he has learned, is too painful. Martyrdom has been done before. S/he would prefer not to be in a relationship at all—yes, even give up sex—rather than give him- or herself away. This means only one thing: a relationship with someone mature who doesn’t rely on this Virgo for sole sustenance, one where mutual growth and support is the keynote. The lucky soul who teams up with a Radical Virgo will find, despite all fears to the contrary, that this person has plenty of time to devote to their relationship, and plenty of erotic energy, for Virgos are recharged by sex within the boundaries of consensual commitment.

Work. The Radical Virgo is beyond “workaholism” and onto work as holism.

This person has worked on him- or herself. S/he knows s/he’s okay and doesn’t have to perform constantly to prove it. What an entirely new perspective that places on work! Work becomes not an arena to pump up self-esteem, but the place to contribute one’s gifts. The Radical Virgo simply does not hang out where s/he is not appreciated, or where his or her gifts are not valued by the powers-that-be.

Work becomes a canvas for self-expression and positive giving. If s/he is particularly Chironic, s/he may have several jobs and need them all because they express his or her multifaceted nature. This is different from work as addiction—doing to feel worthy. It is work that supports expression of self in a positive way. Often, work is play for these folks. (“People actually pay me to do this?”)

Enlightenment. The Radical Virgo is beyond which toilet bowl cleaner deodorizes best and onto saving the world from going down the toilet.

Linking onto the issue of work, this new Virgo tends to have "big picture" jobs like ecology and counseling, jobs which help the macrocosm by profound interatctions with the microcosm. His or her jobs have purpose, or s/he won't play.

Clow calls the 6th house, traditionally ruled by Virgo, “the awakening point for most people.” [7] She entitles the 6th and 12th house sectors of the zodiac, “Be here now” (6th) and “Bliss” (12th). [8] I love her title for the 6th house because of my belief in Chiron’s current resonance with Virgo. Chiron has so much to do with coming into incarnation. As Clow has stated before, Chiron teaches us “not to jump out of our bodies.” [9] If Chiron were a movie, it would be called Being Here.

Paradoxical as it seems, it is through being here in our work that we ultimately get to bliss and enlightenment. “ … Most people first discover how to be in the moment during engrossing work projects that enable them to filter out all their conflicts as well as the undeveloped aspects of self.” [10] Anyone who has ever been deeply focused, “losing themselves” in their work knows just what this means. It is the antithesis of what I call Worrygo, hovering over every detail. For the Radical, work instead becomes a mantra and mandala for letting go. Emptied, we have made sacred space so that light can flood in.

This reminds me of the word avoidance. Until we commit to the temporarily painful path of growth, most of us do “a void dance,” dancing as fast as we can to avoid the void, the empty space where we might (God forbid) really have to look at ourselves. Thank God for work, where the void might just sneak up on us with a blast of bliss, tempting us to sign up for the entire trip to enlightenment.
So, the 6th/12th house and the Virgo/Pisces continuums are intimately connected: the reward of right work is ecstasy. To get there requires Radical P and V (Pisces and Virgo), an evolution to the highest expression of these signs versus being stuck on false roads to heaven (like drugs, alcohol, and romantic co-addiction). Usually, these are temporary highs but long-term hells because they deplete the life force for giving.

Clow also talks about the seeming contradiction that to get to bliss and timelessness, we must fully enter into time. “The way to move into the present moment is to give your gift … every time you totally offer your gift to the cosmos, you go into bliss.” [11]

How to Recognize a Radical Virgo

A Rad is likely to have Chiron prominent in his/her chart with a good dose of Aquarius planets or aspects to Uranus (to ignite already radical tendencies). Radical Virgos are not limited to Sun Virgos, but can be found among anyone with strong Virgo, Chiron, or 6th house emphasis, or any Virgo planet (or Chiron) in the first house or on the angles. Radical tendencies seem to come especially from the latter degrees of the sign. While any of these factors may point to a Rad, they don’t guarantee it—it’s a question of evolution. I know Virgos born days apart where one is a Rad and the other is far from it, simply because of differences in development.

What to look for: good at many things (versatile); is often described as “one of a kind” because of a totally unique perspective on life. He or she tends to “get away with a lot,” bending the rules with authority figures or telling the truth to those who usually will not hear it, often because of humor or some unique perceptual skill that enables him or her to push to the limit without going over the edge.
The Radical may be so busy creating new order in the world that his/her household is in constant disarray. S/he might have a strong tendency to be buried under papers, books, and magazines, because of Virgo’s love for words (and the need for all Radicals to be highly educated and up-to-date). This person is committed to healing the planet and may literally be a healer. A Radical Virgo is a heart person, and yet able to detach and see the larger patterns in life.

People think this person knows everything, so they come to him or her for counsel. This comes from two characteristics: a Radical Virgo’s versatility and wide-ranging knowledge, and a strong sense of commitment, which puts much power behind his or her words. This tendency for people in trouble to come to them for help may have begun at a very early age, and led naturally to a career in the helping professions.

Finally, this person is not only perceived as one who knows everything, but one who does everything. A litany from those around this Virgo is, “I don’t know how you do it,” meaning accomplish so much. The Radical Virgo is so attuned to synchronicity, and so comfortable in the Pisces alter ego, that s/he can do so much because Spirit takes care of a lot of the details; most old Virgos would still be obsessing over them, and therefore, accomplishing nothing. S/he knows when to put down the day planner and tune up the heavenly hearing aid.

And speaking of Pisces, s/he draws them like bees to honey. Perhaps in the past, before owning his or her own Pisces flip side, only the drugged, drunk, or spaced-out variety applied. Now, he or she is blessed with a number of Radical Pisces—the enlightened variety, those who see their oneness with all and approach life with beauty, sensitivity, myth, ritual, and song. The real giveaway to spotting a Radical Virgo is that this Virgo has gotten over cringing at the mention of the 12th sign and has “gone Fishing.”

Radical Virgos We All Recognize

The three that jump to mind instantly are Michael Jackson, Lily Tomlin, and Madonna. (No, Madonna isn’t a Sun Virgo like the others, but with Moon, Mercury and Pluto conjunct in the V-sign, she definitely belongs to this club. This explains why she sang, Like a Virgin, Like a Prayer, and shares a name with the most famous Virgin of them all.)

Michael Jackson. Born in Gary, Indiana, August 29th, “on a late summer night in 1958,” according to his autobiography, Michael is a Moonwalking, talking example of the Virgo/Pisces continuum—his Sun/Moon opposition.

His struggles to balance masculine and feminine were so overt that they make many people downright uncomfortable. One article about him is entitled, “Blurring the Boundaries of Gender,” [12]. Few people could deny that his androgynous persona was radical,and  his moves like poetry on stage. His talents over time have been extraordinary gifts he lost himself in giving.

In 1988 one writer stated that despite links with actresses like Brooke Shields and Tatum O’Neal in the past, “ … he has apparently not established any long-term relationships, and expression of his sexuality seems limited to the stage.” [13] Michael’s controversial autoeroticism in his “Black and White’ video is a good example. Since the original writing of this article, Michael’s failed marriages and child molestation charges give the following statement an even more painful echo:

“My dating and relationships with girls have not had the happy ending I’ve been looking for … They want to rescue me from loneliness, but they do it in such a way that they give me the impression they want to share my loneliness, which I wouldn’t wish on anybody, because I believe I’m one of the loneliest people in the world.” [14]

Not all Radical Virgo’s have an easy job of dealing with the balance of erotic energy, revealed in Michael’s chart by a Mars/Venus/Chiron T-square. Although he was found not guilty on all charges in his 2005 child molestation
trial, he remained a symbol, until his early death at his Chiron Return, of the Radical Virgo struggle to synthesize the extremes of sexual innocence and corruption. Surely, everyone has an opinion about what really went on in Neverland. The irony is that his exoneration still left him the poster child for sexual ambiguity—and those who observe him still left wondering.

Lily Tomlin. A Chiron-in-the-1st Sun Virgo (Detroit: 9/1/36), Lily has been making us laugh and enlightening us for years. Considering Chiron’s connection to “meaningful coincidence,” I love the start of this description of her magnificent one-woman show, The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe: “If you believe in synchronicity, which Lily Tomlin surely does…” [15] Jane Wagner, Lily’s long-time writer, says, “The concept behind the show was to talk about consciousness in a way that hopefully nobody would know we were talking about higher consciousness.”

Lily the Rainbow Bridge more than succeeded. In a versatile performance that spanned a wide assortment of characters from Agnes Angst, a teenage miserable, to Trudy the Bag Lady (who talks with ETs and claims she didn’t have a nervous breakdown but a nervous breakthrough), Lily is at her best in the realm of sexuality. Her portrayal of a woman’s first love experience with another woman in the early days of the feminist movement is tender and uproariously funny. Equally well, she portrays the wife in a full-circle story of a happily married, hippie-esque, heterosexual couple—from their first meeting to their divorce.

I cried at her ability not only to find the signs of intelligent life in the universe, but also to flash them in neon and strike tender chords of oneness with the modern struggle for meaning. Called a “passion play about metaphysical fitness,” [16] here’s a woman whose kundalini/Eros is definitely on full-tilt boogie.

Madonna. There’s a lot I could say about Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone (Bay City, MI: 8/16/60), but I’ll stick to what’s obvious. This woman makes the powers-that-be squirm because she undoes their evil deed of separating sex from spirituality. In her wonderful irreverence, crucifixes and cleavage bared, she not only thumbs her nose at her strict Catholic upbringing, but also provides a delicious parody of why society is so screwed up, pun intended. With her Sun in Leo, she channels her Virgo planets in an outrageous way.

She’s bawdy, unpredictable, and prefers a man able to acknowledge his feminine side. Madonna says, “I think I have a lot of masculinity in me. Macho guys don’t really go for me. They’re frightened of their own femininity.” [17]
Aside from the fact that the above quote is from an article with the Chironic title “Magnificent Maverick,” the Material Girl has always wanted to be a patron of the arts, and in this same interview, she says, “Having money is just the best thing in the world. It gives you freedom and power and the ability to help other people.”

Others. Some Radical Virgos are more “under construction” than others. If the above Virgos aren’t your cup of herb tea, try: Blues great BB King (9/17/35); controversial filmmaker Oliver Stone (9/15/46); or Shirley MacLaine (29 degrees Virgo Rising).

Reasons to Become Radical
It’s good for your love life. Rads strive for a kind of relationship we’ve never had before, based on equality, maturity, and concern for the world where their love must live. Since the old ways of relating haven’t worked worth a darn, this is definitely worth a try!

We are so wounded in our sexuality that it should be no surprise that Virgo and the 6th house of healing are becoming the Masters & Johnson of the zodiac. So many of us have been damaged in this energy center, especially by the splitting apart of sex and spirituality by religion and patriarchy. This is the primary cause of our more direct grief: molestation and rape as children, sexual (and emotional) dysfunction, and AIDS as adults. We need to get well in the way that we give ourselves and our “fertility.” We need to learn Virgo discrimination, saving ourselves for the right kind of soil and weather in relationship.

Heart and sexuality are biologically connected—in the Chinese medicine system, both are a part of the fire element. When we heal our inner fire, we will revolutionize the world. Full of our own Eros/Life Force, it is impossible to be a victim.

It’s cutting edge and it’s TIME. As we increasingly live the megatrend of information overload, the Virgoan talent for separating the insignificant from the germane will be a key survival skill. When we purify our decision-making process, choosing more often what is helpful, healthful, and whole as opposed to harmful, and when we heal our sexuality and bring our work to the level of gift-giving, the harvest is enlightenment and a whole new world.

We are strong, we are invincible, we are Virgos. What other sign could single-handedly accomplish a global reorganization? So, Virgos of the world, UNITE! Get radical. After all, it’s your job.


[1] This concept was well-articulated by

Dale O’Brien in his June 1991 presentation at Planet Camp, “The Myth of Chiron.”
Zane Stein, Essence and Application—A View from Chiron, Third Edition, Preface.
Barbara Hand Clow, Chiron: Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets, p. 4.
[4] O’Brien, “The Myth of Chiron,” Ref. #1.
[5] The American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition, Houghton Mifflin, 1982, p. 1021.
[6] Barbara
Hand Clow, The Liquid Light of Sex: Understanding Your Key Life Passages, Bear & Company, 1991, p. xiv.
[7] Ibid., p. 33.
[8] Ibid, p. 27.
[9] Clow, Chiron … see Ref. #2, p. 197.
[10] Clow, Liquid Light of Sex (Ref. #7), p. 33.
[11] Ibid., p. 30.
[12] Nicholas Jennings, “Blurring the Boundaries of Gender,” MacLean’s, July 23, 1984, p. 44.
[13] Quincy Troupe, “Michael Turns 30!” Essence, July 1988, p. 54.
[14] Michael Jackson, Moonwalk, Doubleday, 1988, p. 162.
[15] Tracy Young, “Tomlin/Wagner,” Vogue, November 1985, p. 396.
[16] Ibid.
[17] David Ansen, " Magnificent Maverick, “ Cosmopolitan, May 1990, p. 311.

This article has minor updates to the original, first published in The Mountain Astrologer, April/May 1992.

Photo Credit: PEACE SIGN ©

The two-fingered “peace” sign has also been used to convey the V for Victory. It is literally the sign for the letter V in American Sign Language.


Linea said...

Hi Joyce! I love this article! It's great to see you online. XO Linea

Joyce Mason said...

Hi, Linea--

Likewise! It has been delightful to reconnect with you and so many of my old "astro buds" since the synchronicity that led me to start this blog. Even though I think my hiatus from private consultations is likely to be permanent, writing about astrology is apparently the keeper! I don't rule out speaking, either. Maybe we'll have to have another "Chiron salon" sometime in the future. What great memories.

Eileen Williams said...

What an amazing article! You've covered so many aspects of the sign of Virgo and, although I have a passing knowledge of astrology, I didn't know most of what you wrote. I'm passing this one along to my Virgo friends. I'm sure they will feel "radicalized" by what you have to say!

juno said...

i m also a virgo thanx

Marilyn said...

Great article Joyce - really enjoyed it

Joyce Mason said...

Welcome, Marilyn--nice blog you've got! Hope we'll see more of you at The Radical Virgo. It makes me happy that this article still speaks to so many people. In case you don't know the story, one of my readers liked it so much, his enthusiasm led me to create The Radical Virgo blog last March. I had no intentions of doing an astrology blog. (Are you laughing?) Who knew?

jas said...

May be I'm one

Rising 7virgo, Moon 28virgo...

Joyce Mason said...

Very good chance, Jas, with those "qualifications." If you resonate to the article, consider yourself Radical!

Lauren said...

Wow. I've always been puzzled by astrological definitions of what I'm 'supposed' to be like as a Virgo. Reading this was like having someone reach inside my soul and know all my secrets.

Joyce Mason said...

LaLa, thank you so much for taking the time to comment. To know I wowed you made my day for a month, maybe a year! Actually, it was another Radical Virgo's reaction to this article that sparked me to come back to astrology after a long hiatus. He was the catalyst for the existence of The Radical Virgo blog. Never underestimate the importance of feedback. If I have helped you know yourself better, I know I'm doing what I came here to do. The one thing all Virgos have in common--we have to feel useful! :)

Hope you'll be back to these pages often. Warmest regards and happy holidays!

Anonymous said...

Hi Joyce,
was very impressed by your writing..I am in the middle of reading "Chiron...healing body and soul' by Martin Lass...Moon in pisces today...anyone says synchronicity LOL...After reading your description of the Radical guess I fit in that category ...Sun in Pisces, opposite virgo ascendant...chiron in pisces conjuct my south node in the 6 house, opposite my pluto in the 12 conjuct my North node...and Uranus aspecting my Sun, moon, mercury (in aquarius) , venus and Saturn!!!do i fit the billl...and where have you been all my life LOL...

Joyce Mason said...

Hi, Anonymous--

Thank you for the wonderful compliment. You most certainly live on the axis of Radical Virgoness! I wish I had a dollar for every person who has said those exact words after reading this article, i.e., "Where have you been all my life?" LOL! Sounds like a great pick-up line, but it's really the sound of kindred spirits finding each other. It has amazed me what a chord "The Radical Virgo" has continued to strike since I first wrote it in 1992. It has always been out there somewhere, originally in The Mountain Astrologer and in other places online. A person with your reaction made me see I needed to be out there being "The Radical Virgo" on this blog. I had been on a long hiatus from astrology. What I'm trying to say is that the concepts in this article have a life of their own. I feel privileged to have channeled them and to share them. It enables me to meet more people in our fabulous Rad Club!

I am very happy to know you. Come back often.

LMA said...

Hi, Joyce --

I was visiting Mandi Lockley's blog, Astroair, and when I saw your blog in the links, I immediately clicked it. I'm a three-degrees Virgo (8/27) with Uranus and Pluto conjunct at 18-degreesish and Saturn in Pisces (it's part of a water Grand Trine with Jupiter and Neptune).

I really enjoyed this article and learned a lot from it. I can see RV-ness in aspects of my being (the Pisces-attraction factor, for starters -- my daughter, as well as many of my closest friends, are Pisces), and I see RV-in-transition in others.

Interestingly, I've been doing Kundalini Yoga for a little over a year and the internal shifts I've felt as a result have been profound.

Thank you for writing this. I'm adding you to my follow list and will definitely be back!

Joyce Mason said...

Hi, Linnea--

Welcome to The Radical Virgo! I did a double-take, because as you can see on the first comment, I have another astrologer friend named Linea (one N). I truly love that name.

So glad this article speaks to you, as it has done for many for so long. I first wrote it/it appeared in The Mountain Astrologer in 1992. I'm planning an update to it soon! This article catalyzed the creation of this blog last year because of an enthusiastic reader. It remains on my Top 10 most read articles.

There are many articles here, and I look forward to hearing from you in the comments in the future. Mandi Lockley has been one of my great new astrologer friend finds after my 7-year hiatus from the stars. Astrology provides one of the best communities in the heavens and on earth! So glad to get to know you!

chartreuseviolet said...

This is such an intense article, and I've so many thoughts about it, I don't even know what to say. I've always felt like a bad virgo, or a fake pisces, because of all the tradtional press on virgos. This is particularly true in regards to the virgo north node and how we're supposed to turn away from our pisces south node. I love my pisces node and my pisces moon. In addition, I have a 2nd house stellium of four planets in virgo opposing all that piscesness, and super chiron all over me. Needless to say, I must be a radical virgo, and maybe even with radical pisces filling!

Every part of this article touched on something I've dealt with, especially recently with the huge oppositions falling on my 1st saturn return. I think the uranus chaos has finally given way to a "nervous breakthrough" and I'm feeling life really present and "being here now." And the synchronicity of this is amazing as well: I'm reading this while talking to a woman I've quickly become enthralled with. I've been very "free" in the past and celibate for the last 8 years, true to form. And now, in spite of my fluid sexuality, I find myself shocked by the prospect of a relationship with anyone, let alone an amazing nurturing evolved woman. TMI, but this article is all about opening the heart and being a "hollow bone", as my Lakota relatives say, for the spirit to work through. Amazing, and great website.

Joyce Mason said...

Hi, chartreuseviolet--I'm so happy to hear that this article spoke to you so deeply. When I wrote it in 1992, I had no idea it would prove timeless and helpful to so many Virgos and their Pisces complements who have not felt served by the "typical" descriptions of these signs. I love open heart/hollow bone. The Lakota way and wisdom always wows me. Thank you for being part of this community and for your heartfelt sharing.

Anonymous said...

That was a well written article with in-depth details which is appreciated. It’s enough that most well developed Virgos are stars without even trying though their devotion to bring order out of chaos in every aspect of life and their magnetic personality which draw everybody toward them for their stability, honestly, intelligence, purity, practical advices/solutions and oh, above of all that, their unmatched sense of humor lol.

I want to know if the concept of Radical Virgo applies to me. Here is my natal chart:
Sun in Virgo, Moon in Cancer, Mercury in Leo, Venus in Libra, Mars in Libra, Jupiter in Cancer, Saturn in Virgo, Uranus in Scorpio, Neptune in Sagittarius, Pluto in Libra, Chiron in Taurus, Ceres in Capricorn.

Position of houses are located in the sign of the previous one, like House 1 in Taurus, House 2 in Gemini, House 3 in Cancer…ect..ect

Thanks & have a nice day :)

Joyce Mason said...

Hi, Anonymous--and thanks for stopping by to comment. As it says in the sidebar of The Radical Virgo blog, it's really up to you to decide if you're a Radical Virgo:

You don’t even have to be a Virgo to be a “Radical Virgo." It helps if you have your Sun or a few other planets in the Virginal Maiden. (A Radical Virgo may be anything but virginal, as you’ll read.) If you read this article and you’ve got the spirit of this way of Self-expression, you have been radically Virginized! You don’t join this club. You recognize that you already belong.

There are a few hints in a chart, but no guarantees, because how you live and work your chart really determines it. The question is whether you relate to the ideas in the article. The astrological hints that you might be a RV are any planet in Virgo, especially Sun, Moon or ASC; and outer planets (Pluto, Uranus, Neptune or Chiron)in aspect, especially close aspect, to Virgo planets. This would be true of Uranus most of all.

Hope this helps,

Mandi Lockley said...

Hi Joyce,

Fabulous article. The Virgo-Pisces axis (or continuum, as I'm going to call it from now on) has always fascinated me and I've had many people in my life who have that continuum strong in their chart.

I'll be sending it on to a few friends, including hubby who has a packed 6th house, including Mercury in Virgo conjunct Pluto and Pisces-Virgo nodes.

Reading it, it struck me that your words seem to speak very strongly to those of us born with the Uranus-Pluto Virgo conjunction opposing the Saturn-Chiron conjunction in Pisces. We've just been through our midlife transits and have our Chiron return coming up in a few years.

Thanks again and I'm glad that Linnea has found you


Joyce Mason said...

Mandi, delighted that you resonate to this article. It has just kept giving since I first wrote it in the early '90s. An example is your notice (I had never thought about it)of how it relates to people with Pluto conjunct Uranus opposed Saturn/ Chiron. Here's another interesting idea to contemplate regarding "continua". My 1st astrology teacher used to say that women own their Sun more as they age; men express/own more their Moon. I'm also noticing that as this Radical Virgo becomes more mature, I am owning my Pisces complement more. I'd love to hear how others experience the recessive side of their continuum as they grow.

Thanks for sharing! As you may have seen, one reader's resonance to this article two decades after it was written was the catalyst to creating The Radical Virgo blog. I so love your continued part of it, Mandi!

Violet said...

It's me. :) Chiron in 6th opp (Uranus conj Ascendant) + Virgo Sun in stellium conj Pluto. Thank you so much Joyce!

Anonymous said...

This is an amazing article!! As a nontraditional Virgo, this article explains a lot of things! Happenstance lead me to this article (you linked to it from the article "Your Astrological Blind Spot").

I seem to be at typical Virgo with living alone (an usually enjoying it), owning a pet, and working in a middle-level position in education. However, once others get to know me I've left many scratching their head, with doing everything from meeting the Queen Mum to experience cultural immersion/exchange programs where I often had heart-to-heart talks with people from much different upbringings and cultures from my own. From spending retreats with nuns to scuba diving in very deep water (oops, Neptunian slip!).
Thanks for sharing this article because now some things make better sense!


Joyce Mason said...

Krissy, great to hear that you resonated to this article. I wrote it 20 years ago, and it has endured the test of time. You demonstrate the versatility of a Radical Virgo, and I'm so happy we've discovered one another. Please come back often!

NoFirebutSagIC said...

You're article really has withstood the test of time! I was glad to have stumbled across it, it definitely helps me to make sense of my Virgotude. With Virgo rising, Chiron in Cancer, South Node in Virgo, with Mercury, Venus, and the Sun in Aquarius; I definitely feel radical. Would you say Chiron 2*27' is conjunct the Moon 5*15' in Cancer? What do you see with this information?

It's so lovely that you opened yourself up to be a blogger in the realm of astrology instead of staying in the shadows.Thank you! I will definitely be visiting your blog more :)

Johnny Mirehiel said...

More than twenty years ago, and you're just NOW making me aware of this typically outstanding work?
Shame on you! LOL

You know some 45 years ago my 1st astrologer teacher, Lionel Day, once said to me, "Yes, the Sun and Ascendant are important, but if you really want to know what someone really is like, look at the 4th house cusp...that's what we are at the very roots of ourselves."

Well, now I know what it means to have Virgo there (along w/ my N. Node). In my bones, I'm pure Virgo through and through.

Great piece, Joyce.

Joyce Mason said...

So glad you resonate to this timeless piece, Johnny. I knew you had to have a prominent Virgo influence!

I have to agree with what your first teacher says about the 4th house, too. I have Mars in Cancer on the IC, and in addition to being "the Radical Virgo," I am so Cancerian. Fortunately, they complement each other. Once a friend/colleague called me the uber mother. I'm probably the most maternal person I know who has never had children of her body. This has freed me up to nurture the world, a very special husband, and a menagerie of four-legged children.

I'm glad to be part of your Harmonic Concordance family, out applying the Radical Virgo principles to tidying up the world. :)